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		<title>Comment on 2 Common Mistakes in Choosing a Life Partner by On Choosing A Life Partner&#8230; &#171; Sensitively Sane</title>
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		<title>Comment on Whom Can You Depend on in Life? by Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just started reading a very wonderful book called The Dark Side of Love by Jane G. Goldberg. 

I read a lot about love, because I didn&#039;t have warm, loving parents. I always get tripped up by my own confusion as to what intimacy and interdependence entails and I move between wanting intimacy and needing freedom.  I&#039;ve been looking for guidance to help me out with that.

My mother was divorced my father by the time I was 2 and remarried by the time I was 5.  Both of her husbands were alcoholics.  My mother was narcissistic and very demanding and demeaning to those closest to her.  This made for some really tough early lessons.  

Despite my upbringing, I am a very loving, very caring person, but I carry scars from that early imprinting and that has interfered with the flow of that love.  

My husband, while very generous with his love and affection and kindness, and helped me trust and depend on him, also had a binge drinking problem as well.  

It is kind of true that adult children of alcoholics tend to become co-dependent with their spouses.  I was, a little, though I did a few things to try and separate from his issues.   I did what I could to protect myself from getting hurt.  Over the years...this grew into a gulf, at least emotionally.  We managed to maintain physical intimacy, but as far as emotional intimacy goes, I hardly knew my husband.  Many times, he shut down his communication, no matter how much I tried to get him to talk to me about what was going on in his mind and heart.

I have had a great deal of difficulty reconciling the different aspects of him. My husband was really loving when he was sober (which was most of the time) AND really hurtful when he was drunk (which was about 3-4 times a year in these binge drinking episodes).  It was like living with Dr.  Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.  Then again, I had my own version of Dr. Jekyll/Ms. Hyde too as I struggled to cope with my anger at the mistreatment.

I tried to turn to my mother and one of my close friends who had a bad drinking habit once upon a time.  Both sources were not very helpful.  They both found reasons to minimized the problem and they really had no idea how to help.

Eventually I came across Healing the Shame that Binds You that hit home for him.  And The Dark Side of Love has hit home for me.

One of the things I learned from the book that I didn&#039;t realize about love is that it&#039;s actually very mature to feel and express (in healthy ways) all the disappointments, hurts, anger, and jealousy that accompanies love.   Immature love only knows the positive feelings, so when the negative feelings arise, people think the love has died.  It hasn&#039;t.  It just gets hidden.

Mature love accepts ALL the negative feelings too.  That book was one of the very first that taught me that  real love can&#039;t exist without hate.  That to love a person in a wholly integrated way means you have to acknowledge and constructively address your feelings of hate for the person.  To be fully human means to have qualities we cherish and some really hurtful aspects.  Hating those hurtful aspects in another and conveying those human feelings of hate in a constructive manner is actually the first step in reducing the power of that hate.  Most people have been taught that feelings of hate are wrong and evil, so they end up stuffing them, but they have a way of interfering with love anyway.  Or making one ill either physically or mentally.

In order for a person to be fully capable of love, one must learn to manage our natural feelings of hate (not stuff them or disown them) and let them out in constructive ways.

Wow, what a liberating concept.  And it only took me 17 years of being in relationship to find this out.  My husband and I have had some really tough times over the years...and many times we were sorely lacking in faith that we could figure this out.  

We both needed lessons in expressing our negative feelings for each other in constructive ways and lessons in being able to actually HEAR those messages without defensiveness.  Both are very tough if you&#039;d never been taught constructive communication skills to begin with.

It&#039;s been some really, really phenomenal growth.  I know for sure I wish I could share what I&#039;ve learned with my family.  But they aren&#039;t receptive to hearing me just yet.  And that&#039;s okay.  I&#039;m a little sad, but I&#039;m okay with it for the most part.

Have a great night,

Casey










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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started reading a very wonderful book called The Dark Side of Love by Jane G. Goldberg. </p>
<p>I read a lot about love, because I didn&#8217;t have warm, loving parents. I always get tripped up by my own confusion as to what intimacy and interdependence entails and I move between wanting intimacy and needing freedom.  I&#8217;ve been looking for guidance to help me out with that.</p>
<p>My mother was divorced my father by the time I was 2 and remarried by the time I was 5.  Both of her husbands were alcoholics.  My mother was narcissistic and very demanding and demeaning to those closest to her.  This made for some really tough early lessons.  </p>
<p>Despite my upbringing, I am a very loving, very caring person, but I carry scars from that early imprinting and that has interfered with the flow of that love.  </p>
<p>My husband, while very generous with his love and affection and kindness, and helped me trust and depend on him, also had a binge drinking problem as well.  </p>
<p>It is kind of true that adult children of alcoholics tend to become co-dependent with their spouses.  I was, a little, though I did a few things to try and separate from his issues.   I did what I could to protect myself from getting hurt.  Over the years&#8230;this grew into a gulf, at least emotionally.  We managed to maintain physical intimacy, but as far as emotional intimacy goes, I hardly knew my husband.  Many times, he shut down his communication, no matter how much I tried to get him to talk to me about what was going on in his mind and heart.</p>
<p>I have had a great deal of difficulty reconciling the different aspects of him. My husband was really loving when he was sober (which was most of the time) AND really hurtful when he was drunk (which was about 3-4 times a year in these binge drinking episodes).  It was like living with Dr.  Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.  Then again, I had my own version of Dr. Jekyll/Ms. Hyde too as I struggled to cope with my anger at the mistreatment.</p>
<p>I tried to turn to my mother and one of my close friends who had a bad drinking habit once upon a time.  Both sources were not very helpful.  They both found reasons to minimized the problem and they really had no idea how to help.</p>
<p>Eventually I came across Healing the Shame that Binds You that hit home for him.  And The Dark Side of Love has hit home for me.</p>
<p>One of the things I learned from the book that I didn&#8217;t realize about love is that it&#8217;s actually very mature to feel and express (in healthy ways) all the disappointments, hurts, anger, and jealousy that accompanies love.   Immature love only knows the positive feelings, so when the negative feelings arise, people think the love has died.  It hasn&#8217;t.  It just gets hidden.</p>
<p>Mature love accepts ALL the negative feelings too.  That book was one of the very first that taught me that  real love can&#8217;t exist without hate.  That to love a person in a wholly integrated way means you have to acknowledge and constructively address your feelings of hate for the person.  To be fully human means to have qualities we cherish and some really hurtful aspects.  Hating those hurtful aspects in another and conveying those human feelings of hate in a constructive manner is actually the first step in reducing the power of that hate.  Most people have been taught that feelings of hate are wrong and evil, so they end up stuffing them, but they have a way of interfering with love anyway.  Or making one ill either physically or mentally.</p>
<p>In order for a person to be fully capable of love, one must learn to manage our natural feelings of hate (not stuff them or disown them) and let them out in constructive ways.</p>
<p>Wow, what a liberating concept.  And it only took me 17 years of being in relationship to find this out.  My husband and I have had some really tough times over the years&#8230;and many times we were sorely lacking in faith that we could figure this out.  </p>
<p>We both needed lessons in expressing our negative feelings for each other in constructive ways and lessons in being able to actually HEAR those messages without defensiveness.  Both are very tough if you&#8217;d never been taught constructive communication skills to begin with.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been some really, really phenomenal growth.  I know for sure I wish I could share what I&#8217;ve learned with my family.  But they aren&#8217;t receptive to hearing me just yet.  And that&#8217;s okay.  I&#8217;m a little sad, but I&#8217;m okay with it for the most part.</p>
<p>Have a great night,</p>
<p>Casey</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Cure for our Fear of Death by Mike Polischuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Polischuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While many things changed, the basic human condition hasn&#039;t changed over the last 3000 years. It&#039;s always fascinating to find a wisdom we can truly relate to in the words of people who lived millenniums ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While many things changed, the basic human condition hasn&#8217;t changed over the last 3000 years. It&#8217;s always fascinating to find a wisdom we can truly relate to in the words of people who lived millenniums ago.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Common Mistakes in Choosing a Life Partner by Quora</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What are the most important things to consider while choosing a life partner?...&lt;/strong&gt;

When choosing a life partner, people make 2 common mistakes: they unwillingly sacrifice either attraction or fit. Attraction is about having feelings for your partner. It embodies physical chemistry, magnetism, enchantment. Fit is about realizing that ...</description>
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<p>When choosing a life partner, people make 2 common mistakes: they unwillingly sacrifice either attraction or fit. Attraction is about having feelings for your partner. It embodies physical chemistry, magnetism, enchantment. Fit is about realizing that &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Cure for our Fear of Death by Natan Silnitsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natan Silnitsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plato (through Socrates, through Diotima) defined love as the quest for immortality (Platonic love is a much later interpretation). I think that&#039;s still relevant today after 2 thousand years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plato (through Socrates, through Diotima) defined love as the quest for immortality (Platonic love is a much later interpretation). I think that&#8217;s still relevant today after 2 thousand years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Common Mistakes in Choosing a Life Partner by Mike Polischuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Polischuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, thank you for your comment :)
You are right, childhood in many ways forms and molds our view of relationships. In this regard, you make a similar point to the one @openid-84487:disqus made.

I definitely agree that our ability to love (which means to loose our defences, to become vulnerable, to fully trust somebody) is formed during our childhood. In the same time, there is still a lot to learn in adulthood about love and relationships: is unfulfilled love can be really called love? How to reconcile our idealistic view of altruistic love with the more realistic picture of our and our partners&#039; needs?

But while we can&#039;t change our past, we can change our future. So the question is, what it takes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thank you for your comment <img src='http://innovationimitation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
You are right, childhood in many ways forms and molds our view of relationships. In this regard, you make a similar point to the one @openid-84487:disqus made.</p>
<p>I definitely agree that our ability to love (which means to loose our defences, to become vulnerable, to fully trust somebody) is formed during our childhood. In the same time, there is still a lot to learn in adulthood about love and relationships: is unfulfilled love can be really called love? How to reconcile our idealistic view of altruistic love with the more realistic picture of our and our partners&#8217; needs?</p>
<p>But while we can&#8217;t change our past, we can change our future. So the question is, what it takes?</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Common Mistakes in Choosing a Life Partner by Mike Polischuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Polischuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casey,
I LOVE your thoughtful comments, they add so much depth to the discussion. Thank you :)

You are raising an important point - the question of how conscious can our choices be, when often there are unconscious forces in play, that are stronger then our own ability to understand ourselves. This is especially true in cases where, we didn&#039;t have an example of a healthy relationship, when growing up.

I was fortunate enough to have loving parents, whose own relationship was (and is) filled with tenderness and care. So for me, it was always obvious that such relationship is the norm, and nothing something extraordinary.

That being said, self-understanding can improve our relationship choices, and it is attainable for most people, even without therapy. What might be more difficult to attain is the courage to act upon this understanding. So the question is, where do we muster the courage needed to leave a relationship that doesn&#039;t work, or fix a relationship worth fixing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey,<br />
I LOVE your thoughtful comments, they add so much depth to the discussion. Thank you <img src='http://innovationimitation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You are raising an important point &#8211; the question of how conscious can our choices be, when often there are unconscious forces in play, that are stronger then our own ability to understand ourselves. This is especially true in cases where, we didn&#8217;t have an example of a healthy relationship, when growing up.</p>
<p>I was fortunate enough to have loving parents, whose own relationship was (and is) filled with tenderness and care. So for me, it was always obvious that such relationship is the norm, and nothing something extraordinary.</p>
<p>That being said, self-understanding can improve our relationship choices, and it is attainable for most people, even without therapy. What might be more difficult to attain is the courage to act upon this understanding. So the question is, where do we muster the courage needed to leave a relationship that doesn&#8217;t work, or fix a relationship worth fixing?</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Common Mistakes in Choosing a Life Partner by Kashef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kashef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the requirements start from childhood... the requirement is to see love, know love, feel love, and then when her hands is in his hand - then be in love ... and since then, remain in love ...For all these, the greatest requirement is to have LOVE in that heart ... and trust me that HE sits in a silent and unknown corner of the heart from where he creates those unknown affects...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the requirements start from childhood&#8230; the requirement is to see love, know love, feel love, and then when her hands is in his hand &#8211; then be in love &#8230; and since then, remain in love &#8230;For all these, the greatest requirement is to have LOVE in that heart &#8230; and trust me that HE sits in a silent and unknown corner of the heart from where he creates those unknown affects&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Common Mistakes in Choosing a Life Partner by Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading up a lot about recently.  We often choose our partners because of subconscious urges to repeat the unhealthy patterns of behavior in our family of origin, in an effort to try and change the outcome as an adult.   Freud termed this repetition compulsion.  There are two modes of thought in order to deal with this effectively in an article I read recently.  This person had a habit of getting involved with women with borderline personality disorder.  In order to understand why he subconsciously chose these wounded partners, he researched a lot about it.

http://www.systemsthinker.com/blog/2008/04/choosing-intimate-partners-repeat/

&quot;View #1: The Repetition Compulsion in Intimate Relationships
 as a Self-Destructive Mechanism to Avoid and Overcome by Choosing
Partners That Trigger Less Intense Chemistry&quot;

In other words, be aware of red flags and RUN the other way, swiftly.  However, the problem with this is, wherever you go, there you are.  You still have unfinished business that needs to be resolved.

This concept is talked about this unfinished business in other places, one source is David Richo&#039;s When the Past is Present.  We always subconsciously carry with us traces of the things we learned from our primary caretakers. 



The article I linked to talks about Imago Relationships, where we are compelled to find the partner who is most likely the biggest trigger for our unmet childhood needs and who often holds the key for resolving them.  The reason we choose mates much like our parents is because we have unfinished business to resolve.

&quot;View #2: The Repetition Compulsion in Intimate Relationships
 as a Purposeful and Required Catalyst for Full Healing Through
Mastering Resolution Skills with Partners That Initially Trigger Intense
 Chemistry&quot;

Provided you have an intimate partner willing to work through some issues, you can use the relationship to catalyze healing and growth.  However, high chemistry often involves those subconscious triggers to the original issues and there becomes a problem of what do you do if your partner isn&#039;t interested in growing.

So, well, I say it&#039;s not at all an easy choice.  And whatever conscious choices you make, there will always be some sort subconscious longings at play that might override rational decision-making.


I really think what is needed is a requirement for all couples headed for marriage (or any long term commitment) go through an intensive relationship building and communication skills course.  Long term commitment to someone requires flexibility, negotiation skills,empathetic listening and communication skills, and if they decide to have children, another course in attachment parenting.  For all the technological ways to communicate, we have grown less competent in making deep connections and transmitting this skill to our children.  I say this from experience.  I wish I knew BEFORE I had children.  It would have made my journey a lot easier.



Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading up a lot about recently.  We often choose our partners because of subconscious urges to repeat the unhealthy patterns of behavior in our family of origin, in an effort to try and change the outcome as an adult.   Freud termed this repetition compulsion.  There are two modes of thought in order to deal with this effectively in an article I read recently.  This person had a habit of getting involved with women with borderline personality disorder.  In order to understand why he subconsciously chose these wounded partners, he researched a lot about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.systemsthinker.com/blog/2008/04/choosing-intimate-partners-repeat/" rel="nofollow">http://www.systemsthinker.com/blog/2008/04/choosing-intimate-partners-repeat/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;View #1: The Repetition Compulsion in Intimate Relationships<br />
 as a Self-Destructive Mechanism to Avoid and Overcome by Choosing<br />
Partners That Trigger Less Intense Chemistry&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, be aware of red flags and RUN the other way, swiftly.  However, the problem with this is, wherever you go, there you are.  You still have unfinished business that needs to be resolved.</p>
<p>This concept is talked about this unfinished business in other places, one source is David Richo&#8217;s When the Past is Present.  We always subconsciously carry with us traces of the things we learned from our primary caretakers. </p>
<p>The article I linked to talks about Imago Relationships, where we are compelled to find the partner who is most likely the biggest trigger for our unmet childhood needs and who often holds the key for resolving them.  The reason we choose mates much like our parents is because we have unfinished business to resolve.</p>
<p>&#8220;View #2: The Repetition Compulsion in Intimate Relationships<br />
 as a Purposeful and Required Catalyst for Full Healing Through<br />
Mastering Resolution Skills with Partners That Initially Trigger Intense<br />
 Chemistry&#8221;</p>
<p>Provided you have an intimate partner willing to work through some issues, you can use the relationship to catalyze healing and growth.  However, high chemistry often involves those subconscious triggers to the original issues and there becomes a problem of what do you do if your partner isn&#8217;t interested in growing.</p>
<p>So, well, I say it&#8217;s not at all an easy choice.  And whatever conscious choices you make, there will always be some sort subconscious longings at play that might override rational decision-making.</p>
<p>I really think what is needed is a requirement for all couples headed for marriage (or any long term commitment) go through an intensive relationship building and communication skills course.  Long term commitment to someone requires flexibility, negotiation skills,empathetic listening and communication skills, and if they decide to have children, another course in attachment parenting.  For all the technological ways to communicate, we have grown less competent in making deep connections and transmitting this skill to our children.  I say this from experience.  I wish I knew BEFORE I had children.  It would have made my journey a lot easier.</p>
<p>Casey</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are We Suffering From Generosity Deficit? by Mike Polischuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Polischuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Casey!

Wishing you a great week, and  a joyful summer :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Casey!</p>
<p>Wishing you a great week, and  a joyful summer <img src='http://innovationimitation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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